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2013.03.02 08:11 firemylasers Google Fiber/ISPs part II: The Ultimate Circlejerk
Time warner is lying through it's teeth, because it KNOWS we DO, but it doesn't want to provide it when it can make so much on it's customers now.I think most of you can see the issue here. As I've already shown, 1Gbps is pretty much worthless right now. It's for bragging rights, not utility. But for some reason, redditors seem to think that it's essential.
I think the fact that people in Kansas City can rent out their houses just on the fact that they have google fiber shows that many people don't just want it, but are willing to go out of their way to get it.Ah yes, I remember reading about that. Except as usual, the facts are exaggerated beyond belief.
In consultation with City, Google will decide where to build the initial locations of the ProjectOh boy. Now this is a big one. Did you catch that?
Google will decide where to buildYeah. They get to choose where to build out the fiber. Now I don't have the Kansas City cable franchise agreement, and can't find it anywhere online, so let's use my city's franchise agreement as an example, as this type of agreement is pretty generic.
5.3 Operator shall extend service to all residences within an annexed area adjacent to any portion of the City then currently served by Operator in which the density of homes is at least six (6) residences per 1320 cable-bearing feet (one-quarter cable mile) measured from Operator’s existing distribution system (excluding homes subscribing to direct satellite) within twelve (12) months of a request by residents of such area for service. In the event that such annexed area is served by another cable operator or its technically or financially infeasible at the time of such request, Operator will have the option but not the obligation to provide service.Now one city is obviously not proof of anything, so here's New York's cable franchise agreement.
5.3 Provision of Service: Subject to the exceptions set forth in Subsection 5.4 hereof, Franchisee shall make Cable Service available to all households in the Initial Service Area. Franchisee agrees that it shall not discriminate between or among any individuals in the availability of Cable Service or based upon the income of residents in a local area.Damn! That's a hell of a lot different from Google's agreement! So there you have it — Google gets to deploy wherever they want, while, if the KCKS/KCMO Franchise Agreements are the same as the examples here, TWC is forced into covering the entire city. How again is TWC being "beaten" by Google when Google isn't even following the same rules?
City will make space available to Google in City facilities for the installation of Google’s Central Office (“CO”) equipment and for additional network facilities, in locations to be determined as part of the design. In addition, City will provide power necessary for Google’s equipment at City locations. Google will install all equipment necessary for operation of its facilities. City will cooperate with Google in connection with all equipment matters under this Agreement, and will not charge Google for such space, power or related services.Additional notable obligations under the contract:
Subject to City’s reasonable security measures and escort procedures, City will provide to Google and its contractors 24 x 7 access to Google’s network in City facilities so that Google may perform installation, operation, maintenance, replacement and repair functions. City will secure City locations via locked doors that trigger alarms in the event of unauthorized entry.
The parties will determine the timing for delivery of the necessary space for the Google equipment cooperatively as part of the Project planning. Location may be changed at the discretion of City to locations at least as suitable. In the event of such a change, City will cooperate with Google to allow for any necessary reconfiguration of Google’s network and the necessary move of any Google equipment. Any such change will be undertaken in a manner that is as least disruptive to Google’s operations as possible. The parties will negotiate in good faith to determine the appropriate cost responsibility.
City will not charge Google for access to City’s assets and infrastructure.
City will provide Google with access to assets and infrastructure of City, to the extent such assets or infrastructure are available and are needed for Google’s deployment of the fiber network. City will use its best efforts to make such assets available to Google upon request, on commercially reasonable terms. Such infrastructure may include, but will not be limited to, conduit, fiber, poles, rack space, nodes, buildings, facilities, CO locations, available land, and others (TBD).
City will not impose any charges for access to or use of any City facilities provided under this Agreement, nor will it impose any permit and inspection fees.
City will cooperate with Google in efforts to allow Google to gain access to poles and rights-of-way owned or controlled by third parties.
(c) Create a City team dedicated to the Project and allow Google to place Project employees in City office locations, working side-by-side with the dedicated City team.Holy shit! I don't see those provisions in New York's or Carbondale's franchise agreements! Google gets free
(e) Provide access to assets and infrastructure, with no charges for such access.
(h) Use the dedicated City Project team to provide on-the-spot exception management where necessary to avoid delays in the Project.
(i) Provide a dedicated inspection team as part of the City Project team for inspection of all work performed on the Project. As part of this process, City will permit Google to use an approved third-party inspection firm to assist the City in completing necessary inspections in a rapid, timely manner.
(j) Allow Google to attach fiber on City poles, to the extent such poles are technically suitable and mutually agreeable for attaching a fiber optic cable.
(k) Provide Google with access to detailed GIS data and computer tools, including location information on all facilities owned by City and, to the extent available, those of third parties, with no charges for such access.
(l) Provide consulting assistance to Google on planning and build of the Project, as requested by Google. Such requests will be responded to in a timely manner sufficient to meet Google’s design and build requirements.
(o) Cooperate with Google on all publicity and public relations for the Project, including the obligation to obtain Google’s approval for all public statements or announcements related to the Project.
Braindead corporate greed strikes again.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/157lgs/i_guess_google_fiber_has_forced_time_warnec7k2ztp
Let's get rid of these disgusting internet monopolies, then we would see real internet development.
I have no doubt in my mind that Google will become the majority provider if they continue expanding their service in the states. Other companies can't keep up.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/17pdvn/report_google_fiber_putting_pressure_on_time/c87yyhb
There's no demand for TWC to provide 1Gb because the price would be insane. Google is showing that yes, it is possible, and yes, it can be affordable.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/134vf0/google_fiber_starts_rolling_out_in_kansas/c711kg4
Free market at its finest. I hope Google destroys current ISPs.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/zvpab/how_google_fiber_is_trying_embarrass_the_cable/c689orj
Google is giving me a hard on for capitalism.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/yoyej/googles_audacious_bet_on_fiber_and_why_it_could/c5xnjp9
You want competition? You want CAPITALISM? This is what we need. Someone willing to SPEND money to flip the fucking table over and laugh.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/14gbzk/time_warner_cable_demand_not_there_for_google/c7ct6r3
I demand they sell me 1Gbps for $70/month with no cap.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/14gbzk/time_warner_cable_demand_not_there_for_google/c7cv802
God I hate cable tv/internet companies. So they admit they can provide faster speeds but the "demand isn't there." NO, the demand is there, just not at ABSURD prices. They won't even tell you the real prices on their website they are so bad. I was paying $60 a month for 25 mb/s. That's $10 less than Google fiber which gives 1 gb/s and other perks. Just a complete joke.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/18b0wz/why_us_internet_access_is_slow_and_expensive_how/c8da1yc
Google Fiber is the monkey wrench in the system that proves that their prices and speeds aren't derived from real, vigorous competition. GF comes into the picture and suddenly they're offering higher speeds at lower prices in the same areas? Why didn't one of them do it earlier? Surely one of them wanted to compete with the other because free market. Surely they wouldn't have colluded and made at least a tacit agreement to only compete with each other at the low end of technically available service possibilities while squashing competition from the high end until someone came along with so much money and influence that it couldn't be stopped. No, that's crazy.http://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/18b0wz/why_us_internet_access_is_slow_and_expensive_how/c8dhs4x
Google Fiber is a beacon of hope in these shitty times.Hmmm. This doesn't quite look like much of a free market success, and I'm not surprised that national ISPs with 8.7 million internet customers are reluctant to destroy their current infrastructure, build everything with fiber, and somehow get the obscene city benefits that Google got from Kansas City in all the cities these ISPs serve.
In parts of the country, slower-speed copper, fast-download cable, and a few fiber networks are already built out. The cable distribution giants like Time Warner Cable and Comcast are already making a 97 percent margin on their “almost comically profitable” Internet services, according to Craig Moffet, an analyst at the Wall Street firm Bernstein Research. As Levin points out, “If you are making that kind of margin, it’s hard to improve it.” And most Americans have no choice but to deal with their local cable company.Full halt!
according to Craig Moffet, an analyst at the Wall Street firm Bernstein Research.Hmmm. I wonder where I might find information on this report of his.
Building out the infrastructure will be expensive. In his September 17 report Still Bullish on Cable, although not blind to the risks, Goldman Sachs Telco analyst Jason Armstrong noted that if Google devoted 25% of its $4.5bn annual capex to this project, it could equip 830K homes per year, or 0.7% of US households. As such, even a 50mn household build out, which would represent less than half of all US homes, could cost as much as $70bn. We note that Jason Armstrong estimates Verizon has spent roughly $15bn to date building out its FiOS fiber network covering an area of approximately 17mn homes. The cost of ongoing test cases like this and the potential for significant cap ex investments also likely contributed to the company’s recent decision to issue non-voting class C shares in an effective stock split, in our view. Moreover, in the same note, Jason Armstrong also pointed out that Google’s TV offering represents the fifth (or higher) competitor in an already competitive market. All that said, while this initiative is clearly still in very early days, going direct to consumers with internet connectivity and video distribution could give Google the potential to become the end users sole channel for media consumption.I see no 140 billion figure there. What's more, Verizon's costs for deploying FiOS are around $23 billion , not 17 billion. 23000000000/17000000 = average of $1350 per home. 17000000000/17000000 = inaccurate average of $1000 per home.
I hope they start rolling out Google Fiber in more cities soon. This has the potential to finally restore some genuine competition to the broadband market."I hope Porche gives me a free car soon. This has the potential to make luxury car prices lower. Oh and I'll also be paying more taxes. The IRS guy said something about a grant to Porche to bring cheap luxury cars to the American public, but that's unrelated to my car, right?"
I would leave comcst in a ny minute.... those comments at the bottom of the article musta been shills for the cable companieshttp://www.reddit.com/technology/comments/18b0wz/why_us_internet_access_is_slow_and_expensive_how/c8d91ea
Well, I submitted a short 5 star review.^ They find some (possible) shills (who quite clearly read the book), get outraged at them (lol) and decide to do..exactly the same thing. Except without a well-written response, without reading the book, without even bothering to write a proper review. Good job?
You're clearly insane, or joking or lying or SHILLING.
(being the shill or contractor you clearly are)
Openness and choice: We'll operate an "open access" network, giving users the choice of multiple service providers. And consistent with our past advocacy, we'll manage our network in an open, non-discriminatory and transparent way.Funny how they conveniently forgot about that when it came to actually rolling out their service.
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